Log Analysis
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<br>Please note that this starts with a normal Astatine sexist comment, followed a bit after by a reference to Mage's project as gay. These are comments that can be deemed offensive by the large amount of Women in the Brotherhood, and the large amount of Homosexuals in the Brotherhood.
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<br>Note that Astaing banned Sharad Hett for saying "nothing" in a sarcastic reply to Astatine inquiring whether he knew anything about the Training Office.
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<br>Sharad's comment pales in comparison to many things that Astatine says each and every day.
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<br>Session Start: Sat Jan 18 19:30:53 2003
<br>Session Ident: #db
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<br>[20:42] (Blahde) Can someone answer a question for me ral quick?
<br>[20:43] (Shad-JK2) if I can
<br>[20:43] * Col_Hades has quit IRC (Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22)
<br>[20:43] * Q-Code is back -( Coding )- gone 7 hr 40 min 46 s
<br>[20:43] (Blahde) last night Glor asked me if I had a Master, is that a new deal in the DB?
<br>[20:43] * Q-Code is now known as ^Q
<br>[20:43] (Astatine) yes
<br>[20:44] (Astatine) and part of the deal is all female members have me as their master :P
<br>[20:44] (Shad-JK2) lol
<br>[20:44] (Shad-JK2) hmm
<br>[20:44] * _-Mage-_ goes to change the MSP notes. :P
<br>[20:44] (Blahde) and you have time to be here?
<br>[20:44] (Shad-JK2) only some ppl have a master/apprentice program
<br>[20:44] (Shad-JK2) if your house does, talk to QUA/AED
<br>[20:44] (Blahde) whats the prgram about?
<br>[20:45] (Shad-JK2) basically
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<br>[20:45] (Shad-JK2) a member JH or lower, follows around and learns from a member DJK and up :P
<br>[20:45] (Shad-JK2) imo it can only lead to annoyingness..but some ppl like it :P
<br>[20:45] (_-Mage-_) It is a good opportunity for people to learn the basics from somebody experienced...
<br>[20:46] (Shad-JK2) yea..
<br>[20:46] (Blahde) do we choose our Masters or is it Random in our Houses and CLans?
<br>[20:46] (Shad-JK2) depends on house/clan :P
<br>[20:46] (Shad-JK2) I think you pick em
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<br>[20:46] (Shad-JK2) leads to less grievances
<br>[20:47] (Blahde) usually a good idea to ask first to stop misunderstandings?
<br>[20:47] (Astatine) (_-Mage-_) It is a good opportunity for people to learn the basics from somebody experienced... (-- funny, I thought like..the trianing dude was responsible for that
<br>[20:48] (_-Mage-_) Heey, watch it. :P
<br>[20:48] (Shad-JK2) haha
<br>[20:48] (Astatine) you must be taking lessions off my boss at work
<br>[20:48] (Astatine) he's the "IT manager"
<br>[20:48] (Astatine) yet his latest mission is to offload almost every IT duty onto regular staff
<br>[20:48] (_-Mage-_) I'm responsible for it on a sweeping level - the MSP does provide promotional guidelines, and a level of person-to-person interaction in the members House.
<br>[20:48] (Blahde) Ok thanks guys
<br>[20:49] (Blahde) the Master guides me in getting promoted?
<br>[20:49] (_-Mage-_) I couldn't personally guide every DB member under DJK through everything... I'd explode.  And we don't want messy Jedi.
<br>[20:49] (Blahde) or lets me know what I need?
<br>[20:50] (_-Mage-_) Some of them do.
<br>[20:50] (Astatine) sounds like you're trying to get out of the multitude of stupid questions that newbies ask, Mage
<br>[20:50] (_-Mage-_) They're little, independant systems run by the Houses and Clans to help members learn and advance.
<br>[20:50] (_-Mage-_) No, Ast, not at all.
<br>[20:50] (_-Mage-_) I'm perfectly happy if they come to me for help.
<br>[20:50] (_-Mage-_) I'm just one man, though - I can't spoon-feed them all.
<br>[20:51] (Astatine) and if you'd been aware of things outside your own little bit of the EH, you'd know that this model of training doesn't work
<br>[20:51] * `sw-eat is now known as `sw-tv
<br>[20:51] (Astatine) they tried it in the BHG and they've gone back to centralised training
<br>[20:51] (Blahde) MAge do you off hand in House Cestus has a Master/Student program?
<br>[20:51] (_-Mage-_) Funny thing, that.  I don't run the MSP - I run the centralized Shadow Academy.
<br>[20:51] (Shad-JK2) MSP?
<br>[20:51] (Shad-JK2) o
<br>[20:51] (Shad-JK2) h
<br>[20:51] (Astatine) then WTF is going on?
<br>[20:51] (Astatine) who runs it?
<br>[20:51] (_-Mage-_) Blahde - I believe so, but I'm not sure.
<br>[20:51] (Shad-JK2) me!
<br>[20:52] (_-Mage-_) It's a free-for-all thing, Ast.  If the Quaestors want a House MSP, they run it.
<br>[20:52] (Blahde) you Shad?
<br>[20:52] (_-Mage-_) If a CON wants it, they make one.
<br>[20:52] (Astatine) sounds pretty gay to me
<br>[20:52] (Shad-JK2) lol no not me
<br>[20:52] (Astatine) but hey, what the hell would I know about effective training systems :P
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<br>[20:52] (_-Mage-_) It has its merits and its flaws, but I've seen no reason to request that it be axed.
<br>[20:52] (_-Mage-_) lol
<br>[20:52] (SharJK2) nothing
<br>[20:53] (Shad-JK2) Ast, we prefer it not enforced
<br>[20:53] (Shad-JK2) as it is badness :P
<br>[20:53] (Blahde) I may need to ask Sukuth then probably
<br>[20:53] (Shad-JK2) mhmm
<br>[20:53] * X sets mode: +o Astatine
<br>[20:53] (Shad-JK2) uh oh
<br>[20:53] (SharJK2) excellent
<br>[20:53] (SharJK2) bye guys
<br>[20:53] (Shad-JK2) haha
<br>[20:53] * Astatine sets mode: +b *!*sharadhet@*.gsp.bellsouth.net
<br>[20:53] * SharJK2 was kicked by Astatine (consider yourself permbanned until you get your attitude inline [iČ])
<br>[20:54] (_-Mage-_) So, anyways, where were we...
<br>[20:54] (Shad-JK2) insulting MSP :P
<br>[20:54] (Astatine) gets a bit tiring having him throw in his lame snips whenever I'm in here talking about something
<br>[20:54] (Astatine) obviously he's bitter about somehting
<br>[20:54] * Shadonyx shrugs.
<br>[20:55] (Shad-JK2) all he said was nothing :P
<br>[20:55] (Astatine) you want to go too, Shadow? :P
<br>[20:55] * Shad-JK2 shrugs
<br>[20:55] * Shadonyx cuddles Shadow.
<br>[20:55] (Shad-JK2) I'm just pointing it out :P
<br>[20:55] (Astatine) then stop being a smartass
<br>[20:55] (Shadonyx) Not my Canadian lover. :P
<br>[20:55] (Shad-JK2) lol
<br>[20:55] (Shad-JK2) uhh thx Belz
<br>[20:55] * ObiMEK is now known as `Obi-Wan
<br>[20:58] (AngaBRB) OPS Abuse!!!!!!
<br>[20:58] (Blahde) Mage once I reach DJK, then is the MSP over or is there an option to keep it going)
<br>[20:58] (_-Mage-_) You would have the option of becoming a Master.
<br>[20:58] * AngaBRB is now known as Anga
<br>[20:58] (Astatine) you forgot your cheerleader outfit, Anga
<br>[20:58] (Shadonyx) Anga, I'd recommend being quiet-LMFAP
<br>[20:58] (_-Mage-_) You could no longer be a Student, unless there was a provision for high-ranked Students in your program.
<br>[20:59] (Anga) why?
<br>[20:59] (Anga) cuz there's them who like to kick out at random?
<br>[20:59] (Astatine) or are you going for the fangirl persona today? :P
<br>[21:00] (Anga) what the Heck are you going on about Ast?
<br>[21:01] (Astatine) because I ban your guy, I"m obviously the scum of the earth
<br>[21:01] (Gryffles) random kicks are only fun on channels with more than a 100 people, that way it can be really random
<br>[21:01] (Astatine) maybe you should think outside the square and consider the fact he actually *gasp* did something wrong
<br>[21:01] (Gryffles) random hostmask bans are fun too
<br>[21:01] (_-Mage-_) It's think outside the box, Ast, not the square. :P
<br>[21:01] (Anga) did i say you were the scum of the Earth?
<br>[21:02] (Astatine) you're thinking it :P
<br>[21:02] (Anga) PEOPLE, did I say AST was the scum of the Earth?
<br>[21:02] (Shad-JK2) I know I am :P
<br>[21:02] (Anga) I never said that
<br>[21:02] (Astatine) "Waah, waah, Ast picking on my boyfriend again!"
<br>[21:02] (Anga) and NO i am not
<br>[21:02] (Astatine) "Ast is such a jerk!"
<br>[21:02] (Shad-JK2) but then, its been happening with a lot of ppl lately
<br>[21:02] (Anga) now you're being a jerk
<br>[21:02] * Thorin throws in one comment..we tried a similiar system in the CD for training, it failed horridly, and we went to centralized training..god I cna't believe I just agreed w/ ast
<br>[21:02] (Astatine) if you've got a problem, put it in an email instead of questioning my authority
<br>[21:02] (Anga) but i wasn't thinking that before
<br>[21:02] (Anga) i pointed out that there was an ops problem, that's it
<br>[21:02] (Astatine) and Thorin, take your blatant asskissing elsewhere, please :P
<br>[21:02] (Anga) nothing more nothing less
<br>[21:02] (Shad-JK2) haha
<br>[21:03] (Thorin) Ast, I have no reason to kiss your ass, it's a fact, look into it if you want..I just got back and was reading up on the convos in each channel
<br>[21:03] (Astatine) actually, you do
<br>[21:03] (Thorin) no, I don't
<br>[21:03] (Astatine) let's see...keeping Ronin onside for your projects
<br>[21:03] (Astatine) there's also your little TO application
<br>[21:03] (Khaen) speaking of asskissing.. did you get that lightsaber Ast? :P
<br>[21:03] (Astatine) so it's in your best interests to appear buddy-buddy with ol' Asty
<br>[21:04] (_-Mage-_) Appearances can be deceiving.
<br>[21:04] (Thorin) while thats true, I think anyone that matters knows the truth :-)
<br>[21:04] (Gryffles) I'm glad I don't have to worry about any of that :P
<br>[21:04] (Anga) wow
<br>[21:04] (Anga) OK, HOld it ast
<br>[21:04] (Anga) i think someone has a little too much iego and sense of self importance here
<br>[21:04] (Blahde) so if we get banned from a channel, how long does it last?
<br>[21:05] (Astatine) if you have an alleged issue with ops abuse, email the relevant authorities, Anga
<br>[21:05] (Astatine) instead of crying about it like a schoolgirl here
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