Log Analysis.
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<br>The following log is one of many instances in which Astatine has abused his powers as Executive Officer to intimidate, harass, and block any attempt at redress. The post made by Anga on the message boards brought up instances of OPs abuse by Astatine and mentioned times when Astatine has broken the very rules he "enforces." It is to be noted that this post, and subsiquent posts by Anga were deleted almost immediately.
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<br>The childish behavior displayed by Astatine in response to Anga is unacceptable of a leader of the entire club. Anga did not resort to insults or sarcasm, but rather tried to argue the facts. Astatine did, however, turn to childish and sarcastic replies.
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<br>Further showing Astatine's inability to be a just leader, Timeros was picked out of the crowd to be personally insulted. Astatine resulted to political and social stereotypes that were obviously taken hard by Timeros. [10:24] (Timeros) listen Ast, that goes too far.
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<br>When asked by Sharad Hett is being accused of smoking pot would offend him, Astatine didn't reply.
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<br>Session Start: Wed Apr 02 00:00:00 2003
<br>Session Ident: #db
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<br>[09:56] * Astatine` has joined #db
<br>[09:57] (Nortian) did anyone know where db members play jk2?
<br>[09:57] (Anga) http://www.ehnet.org/mb/viewtopic.php?p=73928#73928
<br>[09:57] (Anga) I'm quitting the DB as of this minute
<br>[09:57] (`Tiss) #obelisk i think
<br>[09:57] (Anga) Ast go read that post
<br>[09:57] * Astatine has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
<br>[09:59] (Astatine`) which ops abuse do you refer to?
<br>[10:00] (SAvageAz) make me ops, i'll give u a new meaning for ops abuse
<br>[10:00] (SAvageAz) :)
<br>[10:01] (Anga) all of them
<br>[10:01] (Astatine`) that's pretty vague
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<br>[10:02] * X sets mode: +o HadesBusy
<br>[10:02] (Anga) well, like i said, i'll be finding logs and sending them to Ronin
<br>[10:02] (Astatine`) you do that
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<br>[10:02] (SAvageAz) meh, Krathian, no big loss
<br>[10:03] * ``Rai is now known as Rai|GONE
<br>[10:03] (Anga) but there are many instances of you just kick banning people for merely disagreeing with something you said
<br>[10:03] (Astatine`) and you'll be doing the EH a favour by reducing the count of blindly biased members by one
<br>[10:03] (SAvageAz) no offence `Tissi :)
<br>[10:03] (Astatine`) I'm sure your view of me is entirely coloured by my interactions with your man
<br>[10:03] (Anga) and when you turned around and insulted me for no reason you broke what little trust or respect i had for you
<br>[10:03] (Anga) not really
<br>[10:03] (Anga) I'm sorry
<br>[10:03] (Astatine`) oh, boohoo, you don't have respect for me
<br>[10:04] * `Tiss pokes Az
<br>[10:04] (Anga) he's his own person, and happens to him is because of his own actions, but Ast, just accept it...you're here only because of Ronin...and you should have followed thru with that rennouncing
<br>[10:04] * SAvageAz looks @ `Tissi and grinz
<br>[10:04] * `Tiss glares
<br>[10:04] (Anga) the EH would have been lots better with out you messing it all up
<br>[10:05] (Astatine`) and I'm...messing up how?
<br>[10:05] (Howlader) Ooh
<br>[10:05] * Howlader gets popcorn
<br>[10:05] * `Tiss get some muffins
<br>[10:05] (Astatine`) oh, that's right, I'm messing up by not stopping subgroups running themselves into the ground..of course!
<br>[10:05] (Anga) by being a supreme asshole who does not show any concern, respect or even inclination to listen to people
<br>[10:05] (Anga) and i'm not talking about today
<br>[10:05] * Timeros thinks hard, and gets both
<br>[10:05] (HadesBusy) christ will you guys please not do this in chan
<br>[10:05] (Gryffon) man, it's just argument day or something :P
<br>[10:06] (Anga) and because you always ran ramshod over Firefox even when you were dgm
<br>[10:06] (Timeros) hey, it's DB buisiness, too, isn't it?
<br>[10:06] (Astatine`) and Mairin did any different?
<br>[10:06] (Gryffon) April Fool's must have gotten to everyone :P
<br>[10:06] (`Tiss) not eating muffins??? why? :P
<br>[10:06] (Astatine`) is Jac and DV doing any different now? I think not
<br>[10:06] (SAvageAz) i respect and admire u Astatine`!
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<br>[10:06] (SAvageAz) (/late)
<br>[10:06] (Anga) so, you think you run the whole club, that might be, but it's getting to feel like a military coup or state of complete repression...and it's supposed to be fun
<br>[10:06] (Anga) Savage stop sucking dick
<br>[10:06] * Gryffon snickers
<br>[10:06] * `Tiss pokes Gryffon with the blaster.. lets take our argue on as well :P
<br>[10:06] (Astatine`) and that's my fault?
<br>[10:06] (Howlader) Its a god damned military dictatorship, Anga.
<br>[10:06] (Howlader) :P
<br>[10:07] (Astatine`) it's my fault that SGCOMs are incapable of doing their jobs?
<br>[10:07] (SAvageAz) Anga, your just pissed cause a male can do a better job of it then u can
<br>[10:07] (SAvageAz) :)
<br>[10:07] (Astatine`) they can hardly sit there and go "Waaah, we didn't know"
<br>[10:07] (Gryffon) speaking of, may I message you for a moment, to discuss in a peaceful manner Tiss?
<br>[10:07] (`Tiss) of course
<br>[10:07] (Anga) Howie, it's actually all fiction...it's a club...it's make believe!
<br>[10:07] * X sets mode: +o Astatine`
<br>[10:08] (Anga) so we don't have to put up with this crap
<br>[10:08] * Astatine` sets mode: +b *!*Az-If@*.Brisbane.dft.com.au
<br>[10:08] * SAvageAz was kicked by Astatine` (stfu [i²])
<br>[10:08] (Howlader) Actually, yes, you do.
<br>[10:08] (Howlader) Its a god damned club
<br>[10:08] (Howlader) the military dictatorship aspect is supposed to be fun
<br>[10:08] * ^CyberGuy is now known as Cybey|EAT
<br>[10:08] (Howlader) Like, "Oooh! I can take orders!"
<br>[10:08] (Cybey|EAT) brb, Scum of the Dark Side!
<br>[10:08] (Howlader) If you don't like, then leave :P
<br>[10:08] (Cybey|EAT) :P
<br>[10:09] (Timeros) Yes, we're supposed to RP a military dictatorship, not be it RL.
<br>[10:09] (Anga) by the way Howie  I did quit
<br>[10:09] (Anga) this morning
<br>[10:09] (Howlader) ah :P
<br>[10:09] (Howlader) then...why're you complaining? :P
<br>[10:09] (Anga) so i'm just letting everyone know why
<br>[10:10] (Anga) and that i happen to know there are many who feel the same way
<br>[10:10] (Timeros) Becuase banning people goes beyond the roleplaying.
<br>[10:10] (Anga) thanks Timeros
<br>[10:10] (Howlader) Uh, how so?
<br>[10:10] (Anga) and Ast...why did you bann Savage?
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<br>[10:10] (Astatine`) because the way he carried on irritates me
<br>[10:10] (Anga) lol
<br>[10:10] (SharOut) hey ast
<br>[10:10] (Anga) so, the way i'm carrying on doesn't
<br>[10:10] (Anga) hmmm
<br>[10:11] (Astatine`) a little bit of advice everyone might take the heart..
<br>[10:11] (Anga) and he wasn't insulting...he wasn't swearing...he was not breaking any of the CoCs.
<br>[10:11] (Anga) so...more OPS abuse Ast
<br>[10:11] (Timeros) Howlader: because that ruins the fun. The EH's supposed to be a social event too.
<br>[10:11] (Howlader) Yeah
<br>[10:11] (Astatine`) going off on anti-XO/CS rants to Ronin is about as productive as bashing your head against the wall
<br>[10:11] (Anga) i know
<br>[10:11] (Astatine`) you're not gonna achieve anything by doing it
<br>[10:11] (Anga) you must give good head
<br>[10:12] (Howlader) Timeros: ...how aren't IRC bans fun, exactly?
<br>[10:12] (Howlader) You're pissing off ops in a channel, you get the boot
<br>[10:12] (Howlader) Its really no different from any other IRC environment
<br>[10:12] (Timeros) Yes, but ops should rule by the COC's, not their wims.
<br>[10:12] (Howlader) He did
<br>[10:12] (Howlader) Annoyance clause :P
<br>[10:13] (Timeros) yes, but Disagreement Clause? :P
<br>[10:13] (Howlader) No, annoyance :P
<br>[10:13] (Timeros) We don't live in the Dark Ages, we're not supposed to kill everyone for disagreeing.
<br>[10:13] * Howlader shakes head
<br>[10:13] (Timeros) So if people annoy the op by saying the earth isn't flat, they should be banned?
<br>[10:14] (Howlader) Thats not what the annoyance clause is for.
<br>[10:14] (Howlader) Its for exactly the kind of crap SAvageAz was saying
<br>[10:14] (Anga) howie, you're making no sense
<br>[10:15] (Howlader) How am I not?
<br>[10:15] (Timeros) No, but Anga was talking about Ast banning people for disagreement. Assuming that is true, that would be a violation of the COC's.
<br>[10:15] (Anga) Savage wasn't saying anything annoying...and he was trying to make me mad not you guys
<br>[10:15] (Anga) exactly
<br>[10:15] (Howlader) The trying to make you mad bit is part of the annoyance clause :P
<br>[10:15] (Anga) like I said...another case of ops abuse...and i'll include it with the other logs of abuse
<br>[10:16] (Anga) but i never asked Ast to take it upon himself to ban him..and he wasn't succeeding
<br>[10:16] (Howlader) and yanno, Astatine just explained it to him in #TC, so there's no harm done :P
<br>[10:16] (Howlader) Its not your place to ask to ban people
<br>[10:17] (Anga) actually, a person can request that the op take action
<br>[10:17] (Anga) and i did not
<br>[10:17] (Anga) and don't think you can tell me my place
<br>[10:17] (Astatine`) I found him annoying
<br>[10:17] (Astatine`) I banned him
<br>[10:17] (Astatine`) end of story
<br>[10:17] (Howlader) Thats enough.
<br>[10:18] (Timeros) So if my "hello" annoys Cyber, he can ban me?
<br>[10:18] (Timeros) Makes no sense.
<br>[10:18] (Howlader) No.
<br>[10:18] (Anga) lol
<br>[10:18] (Anga) that's where you're close
<br>[10:18] (Howlader) The both of you have never had ops, in one of the big EH Channels, right?
<br>[10:18] (Anga) i know someone who said hey and he got kicked banned cuz he 'was getting an attitude'
<br>[10:19] (Anga) and Ast didn't like it
<br>[10:19] (Anga) yes
<br>[10:19] (SharOut) i have :P
<br>[10:19] (Anga) i have Howie
<br>[10:19] (Timeros) No, we haven't. Does that change the fact's?
<br>[10:19] (Howlader) Yes it does.
<br>[10:19] (SharOut) i have :P
<br>[10:19] (Astatine`) surely you people have something better to do on a weekday?
<br>[10:19] (Howlader) Because you don't seem to know about ops discretion
<br>[10:19] (Timeros) You're sideskipping. Answer my point: if my hello annoys Cyber, does he have the right to ban me?
<br>[10:20] (SharOut) it's ok tim
<br>[10:20] (Howlader) No.
<br>[10:20] (Howlader) I just said that, Timeros
<br>[10:20] (SharOut) if you have ops you can do whatever you want, unless you're being sought out politically
<br>[10:20] (SharOut) it's that simple
<br>[10:20] (`Malik) you should all send me huge presents instead of talking :Þ
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<br>[10:21] (Timeros) And that's what's called "Abuse of Ops", commonly.
<br>[10:21] (SharOut) correct
<br>[10:21] (Timeros) What's the point of having that rule if you can do whatever you want?
<br>[10:21] (SharOut) but it's legal :P
<br>[10:21] (SharOut) to pretend, so commoners feel safer :P
<br>[10:22] (Gryffon) Shar knows all about Abuse of Ops
<br>[10:22] (Howlader) I know about abuse of birds :P
<br>[10:22] (Timeros) Like I said before, we don't live in the Dark Ages anymore. You don't ban for mere disagreement.
<br>[10:22] (SharOut) howie, you're disgusting
<br>[10:22] (SharOut) yea you do tim
<br>[10:22] (SharOut) it's common practice
<br>[10:22] (Howlader) Ops can't do "everything" they want. They can kick/ban people up to a point to safeguard the sanctity of the channel :P
<br>[10:23] (Gryffon) ooo ooo, can I be disgusting too?
<br>[10:23] (Howlader) No, Gryff.
<br>[10:23] (`Vman) Gryffon: too late :P
<br>[10:23] (SharOut) you always are gryff
<br>[10:23] (Timeros) Yes, in countries like Iraq, it's common practice.
<br>[10:23] * SharOut nods
<br>[10:23] (Howlader) Ooooh
<br>[10:23] (Gryffon) wait, i'm confused
<br>[10:23] (Howlader) Iraq
<br>[10:23] (SharOut) didn't you know? we're all from iraq
<br>[10:23] (Howlader) You mean countries with a whole ass load of poor people?
<br>[10:23] (Howlader) and being asswhacked by the US?
<br>[10:23] (Timeros) And safeguarding the sanctity of the channel: more like the absoluteness of opinions of the op.
<br>[10:23] (SharOut) yup
<br>[10:23] * Howlader shakes head
<br>[10:23] (Howlader) Its like talking to a goddamned wall :P
<br>[10:23] (SharOut) good thing you've got it now
<br>[10:24] (`Vman) heh, look like I came in the middle of something
<br>[10:24] (Astatine`) Timeros is just a left-wing Euro-commie :P
<br>[10:24] (Howlader) Hey Velcroboy.
<br>[10:24] (`Vman) looks kinda amusing
<br>[10:24] (Howlader) Oh! Vman
<br>[10:24] (Astatine`) go smoke some pot and use your socialist institutes or something
<br>[10:24] (`Vman) yes howie?
<br>[10:24] (Howlader) when I was out for dinner yesterday, I saw a guy with velcro shoes :P
<br>[10:24] (Timeros) listen Ast, that goes too far.
<br>[10:24] (SharOut) nice
<br>[10:24] (`Vman) wasn't me :P I was no where near canada :P
<br>[10:24] (Howlader) Ya
<br>[10:25] (Howlader) He was about 75 and had a walker
<br>[10:25] (Timeros) Can't someone just fucking ban Ast for insulting.
<br>[10:25] (SharOut) was he related to you howie?
<br>[10:25] (Howlader) Nein, Shar :P
<br>[10:25] (SharOut) nope tim
<br>[10:25] (Astatine`) lol
<br>[10:25] (Astatine`) insulting how?
<br>[10:25] (`Vman) Timeros: watch yer language....ronin booted someone earlier for such
<br>[10:25] (Astatine`) you are European, aren't you?
<br>[10:25] (Astatine`) most Europeans are left-wing liberals
<br>[10:25] (Timeros) I am, that's correct. I was talking about these sentences.
<br>[10:25] (Timeros) go smoke some pot and use your socialist institutes or something
<br>[10:26] (Astatine`) most European nations have socialist institutes such as public healthcare and education, right? :P
<br>[10:26] (Howlader) and Canada, too :P
<br>[10:26] (Astatine`) and they smoke pot in the Neatherlands, right?
<br>[10:26] (HadesBusy) yeah and those are awful institutes eh?
<br>[10:26] (`Malik) [17:25] (Astatine`): most Europeans are left-wing liberals (-- boo hiss... I'm not :Þ
<br>[10:26] (SharOut) netherlands = all of europe?
<br>[10:26] (SharOut) cool
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<br>[10:27] (HadesBusy) boooooooooooo! public education!? public health care!? commies!
<br>[10:27] (Timeros) So what? So if I say that a german is a nazi, that's okay because the are german nazi's?
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<br>[10:27] (Astatine`) no, it means you should pull the stick out of your ass and lighten up
<br>[10:28] (SharOut) nice
<br>[10:28] (`Malik) Der Z
<br>[10:28] (Astatine`) if you think being called left-wing and being accused of abusing state instititues is an insult, you've obviously got something wrong with your head :P
<br>[10:28] (`Invictus) heh
<br>[10:28] (Anga) Astatine, fuck off
<br>[10:28] (SharOut) ast do you smoke pot?
<br>[10:28] (`Invictus) I'm pretty left wing :P
<br>[10:28] (Astatine`) nope
<br>[10:28] (`Malik) you're a dork trev :Þ
<br>[10:29] (SharOut) do you care if anyone accuses you of such things?
<br>[10:29] (`Invictus) Quite glad not to have a self-righteous stick up my ass :P
<br>[10:29] (Astatine`) omg!!!! he called Trev a dork!!!!!!
<br>[10:29] (Timeros) No, but you obviously intended it to be, so if something's wrong in someone's head it's obviously yours.